The John Batchelor Show

Thursday 27 November 2014

Air Date: 
November 27, 2014

Photo, above: Church Trustees room - Many of the Pilgrims who migrated to the Plymouth Plantation had resided in the city of Leiden, in Holland, from 1609–1620, and had recorded their births, marriages and deaths at the Gothic Pieterskerk. To commemorate this, a nondenominational Thanksgiving Day service is held each year on the morning of the American Thanksgiving Day in the Pieterskerk to commemorate the hospitality the Pilgrims received in Leiden on their way to the New World.

At the end of this page, a brief essay on Thanksgiving and the deity.

JOHN BATCHELOR SHOW

Hour One

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 1, Block A: Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our Sacred Honor: The Forging of American Independence, 1774-1776 [Kindle Edition] Richard R. Beeman (1 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 1, Block B: Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our Sacred Honor: The Forging of American Independence, 1774-1776 [Kindle Edition] Richard R. Beeman (2 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 1, Block C: Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our Sacred Honor: The Forging of American Independence, 1774-1776 [Kindle Edition] Richard R. Beeman (3 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 1, Block D: Our Lives, Our Fortunes and Our Sacred Honor: The Forging of American Independence, 1774-1776 [Kindle Edition] Richard R. Beeman (4 of 4)

Hour Two

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 2, Block A: The Founders at Home: The Building of America, 1735-1817 Hardcover by Myron Magnet (1 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 2, Block B: The Founders at Home: The Building of America, 1735-1817 Hardcover by Myron Magnet (2 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 2, Block C: The Founders at Home: The Building of America, 1735-1817 Hardcover by Myron Magnet (3 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 2, Block D: The Founders at Home: The Building of America, 1735-1817 Hardcover by Myron Magnet (4 of 4)

Hour Three

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 3, Block A: Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul: Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty [Kindle Edition] John M. Barry  (1 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 3, Block B: Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul: Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty [Kindle Edition] John M. Barry  (2 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 3, Block C: Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul: Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty [Kindle Edition] John M. Barry  (3 of 4)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 3, Block D: Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul: Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty [Kindle Edition] John M. Barry  (4 of 4)

Hour Four

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 4, Block A: God of Liberty: A Religious History of the American Revolution [Kindle Edition]  Thomas S. Kidd (1 of 2)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 4, Block B: God of Liberty: A Religious History of the American Revolution [Kindle Edition]  Thomas S. Kidd (2 of 2)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 4, Block C: A Kingdom Strange: The Brief and Tragic History of the Lost Colony of Roanoke [Kindle Edition] James Horn (1 of 2)

Thursday  27 November  2014 / Hour 4, Block D: A Kingdom Strange: The Brief and Tragic History of the Lost Colony of Roanoke [Kindle Edition] James Horn (2 of 2)

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Thanksgiving to Whom?

by Seth Lipsky.   November 27, 2014   New York Post

Because America is crackling with constitutional cases over religious freedom, let us begin Thanksgiving morning with a reflection on the object of all this gratitude: Whom do we thank? Is it the Indians? The Pilgrims? Nature? Fortune?

It turns out that the record is long, clear, and official. It goes back to George Washington’s first Thanksgiving proclamation, issued on Oct. 3, 1789, here at New York. He called for a day of public prayer and thanksgiving — to God.

Congress, Washington noted, had requested that he recommend to the people that the day “be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God.” He set aside Thursday, Nov. 26, 1789.

As to why the American Civil Liberties Union didn’t bean Washington with the First Amendment (which supposedly separates church and state), well, the ACLU didn’t yet exist. Nor did the First Amendment. It wasn’t ratified until 1791.

Even with the First Amendment in place, the presidents didn’t miss a beat. In 1795, Washington turned around and asserted that it is “our duty as a people, with devout reverence and affectionate gratitude, to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God.”

In 1798, John Adams issued a corker of a Thanksgiving proclamation that referred to the “Redeemer of the World.” It culminated in a recommendation that “the duties of humiliation and prayer be accompanied by fervent thanksgiving to the Bestower of Every Good Gift.”

Thomas Jefferson was one of the presidents who shrank from issuing a Thanksgiving proclamation. But in 1789, as governor of Virginia, he did establish December 9 as a day of thanksgiving to God.

And President James Madison set aside Jan. 12, 1815, as a day for Americans’ “voluntarily offering” in “their respective religious assemblies” their “humble adoration to the Great Sovereign of the Universe,” confessing their sins and “strengthening their vows of repentance.”

Abraham Lincoln issued four Thanksgiving proclamations, including one that reckoned America’s bounties were so extraordinary “that they can not fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.”

In 1864, he set apart the last Thursday in November “as a day which I desire to be observed by all my fellow-citizens, wherever they may then be, as a day of thanksgiving and praise to Almighty God, the beneficent Creator and Ruler of the Universe.”

President Ulysses S. Grant recommended that all Americans “assemble” in “their accustomed places of public worship and to unite in the homage and praise due to the bountiful Father of All Mercies.” (That was one of Washington’s famous phrases for God.)

Decades later, Theodore Roose­velt “brought to his Thanksgiving proclamations some of the progressive spirit he brought to his presidency,” according to The New York Sun (from whose annual Thanksgiving editorials many of these quotes are drawn).

Americans could “best prove our thankfulness to the Almighty by the way in which . . . each of us does his duty to his fellow-men.”

And Franklin Roosevelt recognized God as an ally in war. “God’s help to us had been great in this year of march toward world-wide liberty,” FDR wrote in his 1943 Thanksgiving proclamation. A year later he suggested “a nationwide reading of the Holy Scriptures during the period from Thanksgiving to Christmas.”

In 1950, Harry Truman became the first president to reference Jews in his Thanksgiving proclamation, entreating Americans “in church, chapel, and synagogue, in their homes and in the busy walks of life, every day and everywhere, to pray for peace.”

Dwight Eisenhower wrote of American gratitude “that each of us can worship God in his own way.” JFK wrote that America was born “in the conviction that right and justice and freedom can through man’s efforts persevere and come to fruition with the blessing of God.”

Richard Nixon’s proclamation was probably the first to mention Jesus: “From Moses at the Red Sea to Jesus preparing to feed the multitudes, the Scriptures summon us to words and deeds of gratitude, even before divine blessings are fully perceived,” he wrote.

It’s not that atheists have no place at the harvest table. America’s government is a secular institution, before which all stand equal. But it is a secular institution whose greatest leaders have always expressed gratitude to God. To which I say, Amen.