What If It's Not About Healthcare?
The smart people are speaking of a genuine tremble in the Democratic ranks after the election results from the down ticket races in the states of Virginia, New Jersey and even New York. A stunning reversal of fortune to be found in most plush, liberal, Democratic Hillary Clinton country of Westchester County, New York. The roles have over 500k registered voters, all of them devoted to HRC, the Yankees and Mets, the Jets and Giants, and the Democrats, and generally split 3 to 2 or 2 to 1 for the Democrats -- until last eve. A low turnout saw the long time County Executive Andy Spano, 73, tossed out by an unknown Rob Astorino, 42, (right in debate with Spano) who inherits a patronage system so reverentially crony Democrat that it will be years cleaning out the cousins and nephews of the Spano posse. Perhaps it was low turnout. The Democratic House can stare at the results in the gubernatorial Virginia and New Jersey and shrug, but Westchester stolen by the GOP? Stolen by a landslide of 58% to 42%?? No explaining it other than anti-incumbent rage that brought out the negatives and kept the regulars home. It was a vote against the Democrats, not a vote for the GOP, which doesn't much exist in Westchester. This is where Hollywood East and the UN elite and the Wall Street bankers live. Bill and Hillary Clinton vote here. To vote for a Republican youth? Ground movement. But what if it's not about the helter-skelter pace of healthcare reform (above)? What if it's the deficit and all those trillion dollar packages and the dead certainty that taxes must rise to pay for the debt? What if the general disdain for government and this leap into turmoil and anarchy has transformed itself into a tax revolt? Perhaps Mrs. Pelosi can get the subject of healthcare reform back on the table, perhaps Harry Reid can deliver the United States of Olympia Snowe; however both would be ignoring what Westchester represents, a complete negation of business as usual. It was a tax revolt. The Democrats stayed home. What will bring them out next year? Healthcare? No. Deficit? No. Joblessness at 9.5 projected? No. Taxes? No. Will there be a credible challenger with muscle to long time liberal Democrat Nita Lowey for the House?
Westchester's Astorino Landslide Close-Up Tax Revolt.
Examining the campaign promises of the newly elected Astorino, there may be a template for the coming assault on incumbency. Astorino is young, wiry, sympathetic, engaged, schoolmaster-like, but his promises are aggressive austerity to counteract what he claims has been 12 years of Spano spending (doubled the country spending) and taxes (raised taxes 60%.) Astorino claims that Westchester is "the highest taxed country in America." His brochure announces, "It's time for tax relief." Astorino promotes a library of cost-cutting that starts from the top. No more county executive car and driver and bodyguard. "Rob will drive himself to work." Cut the county executive's staff size by 10% on "Day One." Also, "Require all managers and appointed employees to contribute to their health care costs." Also "End travel junkets disguised as county 'business.'" And "Post online all County contracts, key documents, invoices, etc." Does look like a genuine tax and spend revolt. How does this fit into the healthcare debate and the cap'n'trade bill? Both bills are higher taxes for the people of Westchester. Is Nita Lowey reading though Astorino's hand-out? I found the circular tucked in an empty free newspaper dispenser. By itself, no fanfare, forgotten. Astorino had no vivid profile in the campaign. The Republican party in Westchester is theoretical. What Astorino pitched was blunt and routine: "Rob Astorino's 15 Point Tax Relief Plan." Will it work on a national scale? POTUS is committed to Pelosi's plan to let the Bush tax cuts expire. POTUS is committed to what Tim Geithner says is "getting revenues and expenditures more in line," which means higher taxes. The healthcare reform bill and the cap'n'trade can be treated as two giant tax increases. Tax cuts? Is that the magic potion to slow the Obama administration? Unknown. Drive yourself to work and be obliged as a public official to contribute to your healthcare costs and to post your budgets, bills, invoices online? Unknown. Modest, humble, Astorino commented modestly and humbly the day after: "I was surprised at the margin of victory. The message was very simple: Enough was enough. This was a referendum on property taxes."


Today, in a meeting with Westchester County officials, health professionals, family advocates for people who are truly needy. So much so that they can barely take care of themselves. These are democrats and they are shocked. The health system having already taken serious cuts in NYS for a year (if you are in this field you have never seen this before). Now you will see this constituency get as mad as hell and not willing to take it any more. Good honest tax paying (they live in Westchester) citizens taking care of their own. The Rubber Meets the Road now.
I have lived in Westchester all my life. It was Republican down the line for all that time. Its in the last 20 years that it went Democratic, when districts were redrawn so that the Bronx and Yonkers could take Republican strongholds that it "turned" democratic. Hilary and Bill ? Lived here to qualify for Senatorship on her way up to higher aspirations. I'm not surprised that there is a Republican County Exec again. I have never considered Westchester a Democratic stronghold.
Even liberals are beginning to recognize that being 'liberal' does not necessarily mean one has to be suicidal. Liberals and conservatives may yet join together to save this nation from the American Taliban in the White House.
-to PK -American Taliban is a bit over the top there friend - but i can understand your resentment
I was working out in Pelham Manor earlier in the year just shy of Westchester - It's Democratic country clubers -very similar to the GOPers country club set We'll provide the necessary support we' ll even send our help out to do some occasional heavy lifting
Now some of this is likely to change as executive pay scales are subject to inspection under the microscope of a pay czar.
Spano had outlived his term by at least three terms but the pressure to show him the door had not been elevated enough to actually disregard the voting booth til now- People r suffering now-
the country club isn't offering top shelf at cordial hour anymore
Is Judge Smail still using the ol' Billy-beroo? Has Carl caught the gopher yet?
I'm in Rockland and my Congressional district was gerrymandered out of existance. I am now represented by Dem. Rep. Engel from the Bronx. The country lost the services of a great Congressman ,Ben Gilman as a result.
You think it's bad now ? Wait until the Obots take the census next year.
"What if it's the deficit and all those trillion dollar packages and the dead certainty that taxes must rise to pay for the debt? What if the general disdain for government and this leap into turmoil and anarchy has transformed itself into a tax revolt?....It was a tax revolt."
So much does Mr. Batchelor believe in what George Will might call "democracy properly understood"--which is to say, each American's God-given right to choose either a well-credentialed liberal Democratic candidate with perfect hair or a well-credentialed liberal Republican candidate with perfect teeth, who between the two of them would run the gamut of acceptable political ideas all the way from A to B--that he has attempted to reduce the remarkable election outcome in Westchester County to a mere tax revolt. According to the perceptive urban policy magazine City Journal it was rather more than that:
>Walter Olson
Revolt in Westchester
After a coercive housing settlement, angry voters toss out their county executive.
4 November 2009
Other issues, especially taxes, no doubt ranked high in the minds of Westchester County voters, who last night in a stunning upset threw out incumbent county executive Andy Spano in favor of Republican challenger Rob Astorino by an impressive 58–42 margin. But it didn’t help that county residents felt strong-armed by the federal government and private litigants into a controversial lawsuit settlement on low-income housing that cuts deeply into the county’s tradition of suburban home rule on development issues—or that Spano reacted to voter discontent by suggesting that critics of his housing plans were racist.
Announced in August, the settlement calls for the county over seven years to override local zoning and other rules to force the construction of at least 750 low-income housing units, most to be located in relatively affluent towns. The intention is to increase the number of poorer minorities living in these areas. A federal judge had sided with plaintiffs’ complaints that the county had accepted federal funds but had not lived up to its talk of combating purported “segregation” based on income. (Affluent blacks and other minorities have long been welcome in many of the communities under scrutiny; as the Manhattan Institute’s Howard Husock points out, blacks are at most slightly underrepresented in towns like Scarsdale, Harrison, and Pound Ridge compared with their overall presence in the affluent income brackets typical of those towns.) The Obama administration took credit for arm-twisting the county into going along: “This is historic, because we are going to hold people’s feet to the fire,” said HUD deputy secretary Ron Sims, who added: “It’s time to remove zip codes as a factor in the quality of life in America.”
Read that last line again: it’s pretty startling. To remove zip codes “as a factor in the quality of life” in a nation—so that 10455 (South Bronx), 91731 (El Monte, California), and 48210 (Detroit’s west side) have exactly the same implications for quality of life as 10021 (New York’s Upper East Side), 90210 (Beverly Hills), and 48009 (Birmingham, Michigan)—would require extreme, indeed utopian, ventures into social engineering. It’s certainly a result unachieved by Scandinavian social democracy (in which cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen include both chic, desirable neighborhoods and neighborhoods that are neither), or for that matter by the harder tyrannies of the Left. Even 50 years after Castro’s seizure of power in Cuba, Wikipedia describes the Miramar neighborhood as “an upscale district . . . one of the better parts of Havana.”
What kind of social engineering might be called for to remove zip code as a quality-of-life factor differentiating gritty Yonkers from leafy Yorktown, or crime-plagued Mount Vernon from calm Mamaroneck? The New York Times lays it out:
. . . the county admitted that it has the authority to challenge zoning rules in villages and towns that in many cases implicitly discourage affordable housing by setting minimum lot sizes, discouraging higher-density developments or appropriating vacant property for other purposes. Westchester agreed to “take legal action to compel compliance if municipalities hinder or impede the county” in complying with the agreement.
Not surprisingly, voters across Westchester reacted with alarm as to what this would mean. Aside from the abridgment of home rule, a requirement to accept dense development would probably bring new costs (the introduction of water and sewer systems, school expansion), which would be unlikely to be offset by property tax collections on the new developments. Planning to use a vacant parcel for new softball fields, or preserve it as open space? Sorry, but using town property for purposes that town residents favor could put the supervisors in violation of the settlement. And while much was said about how it would make sense to provide housing options for teachers, cops, and other town workers, along with downsizing retirees and others with local ties, the fact is that towns enter a legal minefield when they attempt to earmark low-income housing for those constituent groups. “Fair housing” litigants have repeatedly sued and sometimes won on the theory that such policies are unfair to other poorer people who might want to give the suburbs a try. And indeed, the settlement “requires the county to market the homes aggressively to black and Hispanic residents of the New York City area”—not just those already working or living in the county.
One question in many voters’ minds was whether incumbent county executive Spano, a Democrat, had in fact fought hard against going along, or had caved too readily to what both sides agreed were unprecedented demands (including $10 million for the plaintiffs and their lawyers). After all, the deal offered Spano certain political advantages, including relatively favorable press in both the New York Times and Gannett’s reliably liberal local Journal News, both of which predictably applauded the settlement on their editorial pages. Spano insisted that the county was yielding against its will. At the same time, he used the quiet weeks leading up to Labor Day to steamroll the plan through a compliant board of county legislators. Challenger Rob Astorino called for a slowdown to examine whether the county had really exhausted its options. Spano replied by playing the race card: he said continued delay in approving the settlement would “make us a symbol of racism.”
As it happens, a lot of Westchesterites—residents of a county known for racial liberalism from way back, and which voted for Barack Obama by a comfortable margin—don’t like being talked to that way. Now Spano, despite a well-financed campaign whose online ads were nearly as ubiquitous as Michael Bloomberg’s, and all the advantages of incumbency and union backing, is packing for his departure. Astorino, just recently written off as a long shot, will be moving into his office. And officials of other local governments have a new reason to fight, not just go along meekly, when the social engineers and lawyers come knocking at their door.
Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, posts as MidWestchester on Twitter, as well as under his own name.
Who would have thought that sophisticates from anywhere would not enjoy having some "lesser thans" around to scoff at and reinforce their entitlement. Zip Codes? Is the admission there that the civil servants, teachers, and retirees in the affluent townships are kept poor in caste and therefore should be first in line for low income housing?
Imagine the gossip, when gangbanger Hernando encounters Missie Laffalotnstuff and they fall in love. (I bet it already goes on) Oh no!!
Westchester? Drip drip drip Your sprinkler system is leaking... so is this sen'or fellow Midi Institute poster
Not a microcosm of an election- maybe a lesson in narcissism
I guess concrete walls are the only solution for some... shouldn't have taken that money you know it ain't freeee!!! Let's vote on it! Yas or Nah
Jeez. I have a friend that paid half a mil for a shack on the beach. Beautiful scenery with imaginary no- go zones, too. We love our poor people
Say no to social engineering-- that's OUR job... Vote NO
Don't worry--- it's happening everywhere
i.e.- The Government Capital Seat of IRAN is going to be moved to Qom. There's just too much unrest in Tehran and it's not conducive to managing the affairs of the regime with all the reformists, you know, making trouble.
Besides, there's less chance for an earthquake in Qom (which is 100 miles from Tehran) and well, it just seems like a good idea.
To the bunkers--
"Little paradises take their time" Maggie
"Honey, did you ever pay Vilhelm the Bonkers Beeldor what we owed him for the last addition? I have another idea and we're going to need his expertise!"
Tip of the day- buy American cement, it's the best!!
For those still sufficiently lucid enough to care more about their neighborhoods and the safety of their own families than they do they do the location of Iran's capitol, read about Section 8 housing in the Atlantic Monthly's American Murder Mystery.
"And while much was said about how it would make sense to provide housing options for teachers, cops, and other town workers, along with downsizing retirees and others with local ties, the fact is that towns enter a legal minefield when they attempt to earmark low-income housing for those constituent groups."
what does downsizing retirees mean?
We love our poor people- the teachers of our children, our police and law enforcement tasked with protecting us, and our town workers all qualify for low income housing. And our town workers and retirees, too!!
Do these low income constituents pose a threat to the neighborhoods?
"Do these low income constituents pose a threat to the neighborhoods?"
They wouldn't be the ones actually living in Westchester's Section 8 housing.
I knew something didn't sound right about this guys' story. I can't imagine that anyone cares a zip about zip codes.
No, wait. They just want their resident low income qualifiers to have first dibs, but, that has legal ramifications.
So, I read it write?
I wouldn't know 90210 would be a nice place to live if it had not been for the TV show.
Still, somebody has to keep the yard. Hey, I bet they commute
You simply didn't understand the article.
You're right... I do not understand the hypocrisy of liberals or conservatives.
"I do not understand the hypocrisy of liberals or conservatives."
Nor your own.
Hey, I think the people of Westchester have every right to vote the bum out and all that.
But, apparently they accepted some funds that had some stipulations and they lost a court battle saying they were obligated to fulfill their obligations.
It really doesn't matter to me... I'm just being stoopit so people can tell themselves
"Wow, I'm glad I'm not "that" stoopit" and they can feel free to contribute to the discussion without feeling stoopit and maybe I can learn from them and not be so stoopit.
I for one would appreciate more directness from you. I'm sure you have some good points to contribute but I'm never sure I'm reading you right. Speak plainly, man.
We learn by imitation. Aristole spoke of this, as did Thomas à Kempis. Consider Patton and MacArthur, both of them timid momma's boys who desired to be great warriors, to which end they stood in front of mirrors and struck fierce and martial poses; eventually the masks they wore became their true faces. What, then, can be expected to become of one who habitually imitates a fool?
I know!! I know!! They turn into a Democrat?
He would see faces in movies, on T.V., in magazines, and in books....
He thought that some of these faces might be right for him....And
that through the years, by keeping an ideal facial structure fixed in his
mind....Or somewhere in the back of his mind....That he might, by
force of will, cause his face to approach those of his ideal....The
change would be very subtle....It might take ten years or so....
Gradually his face would change it's shape....A more hooked nose...
Wider, thinner lips....Beady eyes....A larger forehead.
Your comment reminded me of the followng song, "Seen and Not Seen", by the Talking Heads (1980):
"He imagined that this was an ability he shared with most other
people....They had also molded their faces according to some
ideal....Maybe they imagined that their new face would better
suit their personality....Or maybe they imagined that their
personality would be forced to change to fit the new appear-
ance....This is why first impressions are often correct...
Although some people might have made mistakes....They may have
arrived at an appearance that bears no relationship to them....
They may have picked an ideal appearance based on some childish
whim, or momentary impulse....Some may have gotten half-way
there, and then changed their minds.
He wonders if he too might have made a similar mistake."
Personally, I believe the election process should be publicly funded somehow and incumbents and challengers cannot accept private donations and they each start with the same resources about two weeks before the voters go to the polls.
I've always wondered why and how anyone would be able to raise and spend $100 million dollars to get a 250K-400K job.
It must be the benefits package.
I didn't post the drivel from Westchester
Thanks. I like the Talking Heads quite a bit...although not so much as does this free-spirited friend of mine who had "Road to Nowhere" at played at her wedding to a stolid engineer a couple of years back. She has since run off with a circus performer.
I'm abolutedly serious about the power of imitation. I know a guy--abolutely brilliant, an IQ that I suspect to be north of 170--who began to study that offshoot of evolutionary psychology known as Game six months ago, He says that Game boils down to acting confident long enough so that it becomes real confidence, which women respond to. And I have to believe him, given that in that short time he has gone from doing so-so with the ladies to simultaneiously dating a graduate student, a pharmaceutical sales rep, and a blonde Russian, even though he's short and doesn't really have all that much money. I just hope that his boss doesn't find out about all the other women, since he's seeing her as well.
Lou, what do you not understand about what I wrote?
You do have a sense of humor after all/ Great post!!!
Pardon all the above typos, redundancies, stylistic infelicities, etc. It's late.
I like the Talking Heads too... especially the concert "Stop Making Sense" and the Big Suit
Counter counter David goes solo
I'm a tumbler, I'm a government man
All I want ... is to breathe
Well I'm a tumbler!
Won't you breathe with me ...
Heat goes on, where the hand has been
Heat goes on, and the heat goes on
I'm a tumbler!
Drowning cannot hurt a man.
Fire cannot hurt a man (not a government man!)
Spencer, I didn't understand your post about the Devil ... who are you saying is the Devil?
The collective of lobbies that run the country.
Power to the People!!
Spencer | November 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Reply
Personally, I believe the election process should be publicly funded somehow and incumbents and challengers cannot accept private donations and they each start with the same resources about two weeks before the voters go to the polls.
I've always wondered why and how anyone would be able to raise and spend $100 million dollars to get a 250K-400K job.
It must be the benefits package.
Thanks, Spenc, for devolving another perfectly interesting thread.
It's an interesting passive-aggressive style you have.
"Power to the People!!"
Unless they actually try to exercise that power by controlling their own neighborhoods. Then they are hypocrites, unlike Spencer.
Passive-aggressive is right. Spencer likes to derail threads by combining unintelligibility with abuse, such as the time he disagreed with my worries over our post-9/11 loss of civil liberties so vociferously that he drunkenly suggested that I blow myself--and my family--up. When taken to task for this the next day, he apologized in true passive-agressive style to "all you good people," but of course not to me, since that would have meant assuming responsibility for his mistake.
Also, when criticized for his willful ignorance of a given subject, he will tearfully reference his lack of educational credentials, as though that presents him with some sort of an obstacle vis-a-vis occasionally remaining decently silent.
You're right in that we had an argument and I crossed the line because I believed you were justifying the tactics of the jihadis in killing our soldiers and innocent women and children.
In the end, I didn't get banned from the forum by Mr Batchelor
You can speculate all you want about anything you want to for ever how long you want to
And you never did apologize for suggesting that I kill my family. Will you ever take responsibility for your actions, like a man?
Cool it guys or we'll go back to the days of being moderated.
But aren't lobbies comprised of people?
The populists refer to insurance companies as if they are run by the evil leaders of the Planet Triskellion. In fact, many of them are mutual companies and pass any savings back to their policyowners. The stock companies OTOH have stockholders, little old ladies like my Mom who invested a bunch in AIG only to find Elliot "Can I have another hour, please?" Spitzer running her shares into the ground. When are people going to wake up and realize that one man's lobby is another man's stock and trade? Lobbying and backroom muscle is exactly the way this country is SUPPOSED to work!!
Kenneth- please accept my apology for crossing the line in our heated argument...
pax vobiscum!!
I can agree with that, Lou, if it wasn't for the money factor... if it was convincing debate which won one over another, I would agree wholeheartedly.
Apology accepted. Take care.
Thank you!!
Now back to the grind!
Hey man, I'm meet making this comment because I'm browsing with the Bainate application and some of the frams are a bit odd. But the application isn't that popular anyway so no worries.